“Just Say No” Valley
Dear NIMBYs in Noe Valley: Seriously?
Your main argument against the trial of the plaza at Noe and 24th is that it will increase congestion? Is that the best you can come up with? Any self-respecting NIMBY should be able to do better.
Have you actually been to that intersection on a weekend in the past five years? I have seen cars fossilize while trying to turn left onto Noe from 24th, waiting for the pedestrian and stroller traffic to clear. Only when some hipster mom takes pity on them do they get a chance, but by that time the driver has had their brain pulled through their nose, been wrapped in muslin and are in a museum.
Your dreaded fear that cars will overrun your side streets is already happening — no one in their right minds drives up and down 24th or Noe, they’re all hitting Sanchez and Jersey.
Oh NIBMY’s, your other arguments are lame as well. NoeValleySF commenter Yizzing has a rather awesome summary of the hysterical anti-plaza arguments:
- plazas at the bottom of a hill bring death and carnage due to runaway vehicles
- this location is too “windy” for people to congregate
- plazas are for hipsters
- no businesses want a bunch of extra patrons hanging around
- (the overly bizarre) Noe Valley is “already pretty nice” and (conversely) full of gangs and potholes
- Noe St is a “major thoroughfare” that must be preserved (if not widened and “expressified”)
- emergency vehicles will never be able to figure this out change
- 24th Street will be massively overburdened with traffic (from where exactly?)
- I will be inconvenienced by driving one extra block…
If anything, the plaza will improve the flow of traffic on 24th. And if there’s any congestion, it’s on the sidewalks — I hereby demand the plaza to release the pent up demand for outside sitting. I can barely get past Martha’s as it is.
IMPORTANT AND SERIOUS POINT: If you want this trial plaza to go forth:
a) show up at the hearing this Thursday the 8th at 665 Elizabeth St.
b) email Andres Power at SF City Hall who runs the Pavement to Parks program to show your support for the trial.
We can blog and bitch all we want but these meetings are where the decisions get made. Bevin is already showing signs of wavering due to the very loud anti-plaza folks, but I do believe they are in the substantial minority. Prove it to them by showing up at the meeting on Thursday.
(And Bevin, I am disappointed in you. If you fold like a cheap deck of cards you’re never going to get elected mayor. Show some spine, it’s a trial plaza.)
But Burrito Justice being what it is, I shall pull the historical card to neutralize the hysterical arguments. Behold!
Yes indeed, in 1886 there used to be a pond on Noe St between 24th and Jersey.
If you don’t give us our trial plaza, we are going to summon the creepy water monster that once inhabited it to haunt you for the rest of your days, emitting foul aromas and lowering property values. (And you’d better hope he’s not related to Gulchie, the sinkhole monster that lives under Valencia and 18th.)
NIMBYs, let the trial plaza run its course and we’ll make a decision after we see how it works out. Or is fear your only argument?
For those of you claiming that Noe St was a “major cross street” both today and in the past — sorry, but there was nothing there before the 1880s. The only roads in the area were to Rancho de San Miguel up where Douglass & Elizabeth are now (yellow fill). One path was along 24th and Elizabeth (red), and others held constant elevation along the north side of Noe Hill (blue/green). The orange line is where Noe St is today. Cows don’t like to climb 150 foot hills in five blocks.
US Coast Survey Map, 1859 (surveyed in 1857) – link to David Rumsey, click image to zoom. Orange line is Noe St today.
1869 Coast Survey Map, link to David Rumsey.com, click image to zoom. Orange line is Noe St today.
Even today, that’s one hell of a climb – elevation estimates from Google Earth:
176 feet at Noe & 24th
345 feet at Noe & Hill (vs 360 feet at the top!)
94 feet at Noe and 18th
That’s a 170 feet up Noe from the south, and 250 feet from the north!